Mr Old Fashioned Forum

Earlier I thought about Benjamin Franklin and the American Religion. Revisionists try to paint historical figures into something they weren't. In Dr. Franklin's case it seems that part of a letter that he wrote to Ezra Stiles, a month before his death in 1790 is used to paint Dr. Franklin as more of a non believing sort of fellow. Below is my response to such an article with a transposing of Dr. Franklin's letter, less two additional letters he made mention to. ( If I find a copy of these I will transpose them here as well, or if anyone should have them I would be fascinated to read them." the article in question can be found at: https://www.adherents.com/people/pf/Benjamin_Franklin.html Comment as follows: John Adams wrote, “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” Even though the above authors have made the attempt to paint Mr. Franklin as non religious, when the full letter to Mr. Stiles is read (in its entirety below) it is clear to anyone reading it that Mr. Franklin is religious and a true Deist in that his relationship between GOD and himself is a private matter. The part of Mr. Franklin's letter used to claim his non religious views is in bold, when reading the letter prior to and after the quote his creed is clearly stated. The student should never be satisfied to be fed a perceived reality without seeking out REALITY on their own and then drawing their conclusions based on facts. Mr. Old Fashioned Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Ezra Stiles PHILADELPHIA, March 9, 1790. REVEREND AND DEAR SIR— I RECEIVED your kind letter of January 28, and am glad you have at length received the portrait of governor Yale from his family, and deposited it in the college library. He was a great and good man, and had the merit of doing infinite service to your country by his munificence to that institution. The honor you propose doing me, by placing mine in the same room with his, is much too great for my deserts; but you always had a partiality for me, and to that it must be ascribed. I am however too much obliged to Yale College, the first learned society that took notice of me, and adorned me with its honors, to refuse a request that comes from it through so esteemed a friend. But I do not think any one of the portraits you mention as in my possession worthy of the situation and company you propose to place it in. You have an excellent artist lately arrived. If he will undertake to make one for you, I shall cheerfully pay the expense: but he must not delay setting about it, or I may slip through his fingers, for I am now in my 85th year, and very infirm. I send with this a very learned work as it seems to me, on the ancient Samaritan Coins, lately printed in Spain, and at least curious for the beauty of the impression. Please to accept it for your college library. I have subscribed for the Encyclopedia now printing here, with the intention of presenting it to the college. I shall probably depart before the work is finished, but shall leave directions for its continuance to the end. With this you will receive some of the first numbers. You desire to know something of my religion. It is the first time I have been questioned upon it. But cannot take your curiosity amiss, and shall endeavor in a few words to gratify it. Here is my creed: I believe in one God, the creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them. <b>As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is like to see; but I apprehend, it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble</b>. I see no harm however in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed, especially as I do not perceive that the Supreme takes it amiss by distinguishing the believers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure. I shall only add respecting myself, that having experienced the goodness of that being in conducting me prosperously through a long life, I have no doubt of its continuance in the next, though without the smallest conceit of meriting such goodness. My sentiments on this head you will see in the copy of an old letter inclosed, which I wrote in answer to one from an old religionist whom I had relieved in a paralytic case by electricity, and who being afraid I should grow proud upon it, sent me his serious, though rather impertinent caution. I send you also the copy of another letter which will show something of my disposition relating to religion. With great and sincere esteem and affection, I am, &c. B. FRANKLIN. PS. Had not your college some present of books from the king of France. Please to let me know if you had an expectation given you of more, and the nature of that expectation? I have a reason for the inquiry. I confide that you will not expose me to criticisms and censures by publishing any part of this communication to you. I have ever let others enjoy their religious sentiments, without reflecting on them for those that appeared to me unsupportable or even absurd. All sects here, and we have a great variety, have experienced my good will in assisting them with subscriptions for the building their new places of worship, and as I have never opposed any of their doctrines, I hope to go out of the world in peace with them all.

� � To:  Barbra Quaid, CEO- bquaid@venturacountyfair.org and Heidi Ortiz, Executive Secretary- hortiz@venturacountyfair.org Date: 11/26/2018 I hope that either of you will take the time to read my email in support of Crossroads of the West using the Venue of the Ventura County Fairgrounds. I work full time and have neither the luxury or subsidy to be able to appear in person. For enjoyment I teach various forms of firearm safety, working with various firearms from the 1700's forward. As I am local, the Crossroads of the West Gunshow is the only one that I have a table at that gives me the opportunity to be able to meet with people from our area. I started attending the show last year and have found from the beginning that the people who run it do an awesome job. They make sure that the vendors are operating following the law and that the space is safe and secure. I expect that you will have your fill of heart wrenching stories of lives touched and cut short as a result of criminals who used guns. Or equally heart wrenching stories of accidents where people were injured or killed by guns, or incidents where people committed suicide with the aid of a gun.  Although tragic, how are such things the sole result of a firearm? If that were true then the same logic must be applied to the same tragedies that are a result of knives, vehicles, alcohol, all drugs prescription and illicit, incidents as a result of animal attack or accident, and virtually anything we come into contact with on a daily basis that either a criminal or person intent on doing harm to themselves or others can use to such ends. That a group invests so much time into demonizing a very large portion of American society and forces us, in whichever group is the current target, to have to defend ourselves vigorously for no other reason than we disagree with them, should be troubling; because at some time we will all find ourselves in a targeted group because no matter how safe we feel in our beliefs or hobbies , someone , somewhere will take offense by it. The longer , the greater 'we' allow these outrages by smaller groups to dictate what 10's of thousands if not 100's of thousands of local citizens participate , peacefully in every year at your venue, the harder it will be to ever protect anything from such attack.If this is allowed to happen, you might as well just shut down your venue entirely and sell your land, because outrage can be found in everything. By all means, extend heartfelt sorrow for their tragedy, and if they do not want to attend such a thing... Don't go....  But don't try to take away a thing that thousands upon thousands of people peacefully and respectfully participate in.   I truly hope that you will allow the Crossroads of the West to continue renting your venue throughout the year, because there is no reason they should be denied over any other group that rents your venue. Thank you for taking the time to read my letter Sncerely, DMS � �

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